DKos Boycott Fails to Harm Markos

Yeah, sadly for those participating in the boycott, it's not affecting Markos' traffic or his bottom line.

See the sitemeter: http://www.sitemeter.com/?a=stats&s= sm8dailykos&r=35



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Re: (2.00 / 1)

Markos used to be a Republican. He'll be just fine.


by rossinatl on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 08:42:16 PM EST

And Jerome's not a Democrat even today. (none / 0)

He's a Libertarian, per his Facebook page.


by bobdoleisevil on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 08:43:16 PM EST
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Republican turned Dem (none / 0)

I think as a kid, from his bio.  Hillary was one too until she got to college.  Happens to some of the best of us.


by mady on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 08:54:32 PM EST
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That's where he learned his morals (none / 0)


Reasonable people can disagree.
by mnicholson0220 on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 08:57:46 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

how can a controversy not yield better traffic to website?


by jayatl on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 09:16:49 PM EST
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That must be why he thinks ... (none / 0)

Arnold Schwarzenegger is a Democrat.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/21/ 12411/6904


Fortune strums a mournful tune for those whose campaigns peak too soon. --Bored of the Rings
by Inky on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 09:17:26 PM EST
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Hey (2.00 / 1)

Didn't you see this covered on msnbc, this is a big deal.


Because I wont trade humanity for patriotism!
by Drewid on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 08:42:48 PM EST

I heard you weren't banned for supporting (none / 0)

Obama.

So sad that there's no userid numbers here that I can find, cause I registered HERE at the end of 2004.


by bobdoleisevil on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 08:44:17 PM EST
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Re: I heard you weren't banned for supporting (none / 0)

I don't know if I registered here in 2003-04, but I came here. I'm a reformed lurker.


Because I wont trade humanity for patriotism!
by Drewid on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 08:53:57 PM EST
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Re: Hey (none / 0)

So now if it's on MSNBC, it's a big deal. Is this the new politics of change and hope?


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 08:45:43 PM EST
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All of the above. n/t (none / 0)


Because I wont trade humanity for patriotism!
by Drewid on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 08:52:14 PM EST
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Re: DKos Boycott Fails to Harm Markos (2.00 / 1)

And we should care about this why?

Those statistics are meaningless.  Site hits are one of the easiest stats in the world to manipulate.  

I'm new here.  Does this blog have a function that allows you to troll-rate an entire diary?


by creeper1014 on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 08:46:24 PM EST

Re: DKos Boycott Fails to Harm Markos (none / 0)

No offense to Alegre and the strikers, but it doesn't help if you go there and lurk, and link to there in your diaries.


Because I wont trade humanity for patriotism!
by Drewid on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 08:55:13 PM EST
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Re: DKos Boycott Fails to Harm Markos (2.00 / 0)

I haven't seen any indication that any of us have.


by Scotch on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 09:12:48 PM EST
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Re: DKos Boycott Fails to Harm Markos (none / 0)

Well, I guess. Alegre edited her diary after I told her about the her folly.
http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/3/17/2 34754/543/2
Because I wont trade humanity for patriotism!
by Drewid on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 09:37:16 PM EST
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Re: DKos Boycott Fails to Harm Markos (none / 0)

Campaigns are about talking & communicating with people.

Please expand the strike to include no phone conversations, no e-mails, no blog posts, please hide under the covers and talk to no one until after the Democratic Convention.


by howardpark on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 10:14:49 PM EST
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Re: DKos Boycott Fails to Harm Markos (none / 0)

Not having to go to Daily Cesspool to recommend Hillary diaries has been a liberating experience.  Markos seems to be moderately obsessed about us, but he'll get over it.


Another Hillary Supporter for Obama!
by Beltway Dem on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 09:58:47 PM EST
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Yeah, (2.00 / 1)

I have about two extra free hours every day!


by Radiowalla on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 10:13:52 PM EST
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No, this is totally about blogosphere (none / 0)

politics here. Nothing about any candidate who may or may not be "running" for some "office"


by bobdoleisevil on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 08:46:58 PM EST

I don't think the point was to hurt Markos (2.00 / 5)

But to stop hurting ourselves by going there.


by Edgar08 on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 08:49:46 PM EST

Re: Objective info (2.00 / 3)

I prefer more objective info:

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffi c_details/dailykos.com


I'm United Methodist. I already have a Messiah.
by KnowVox on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 08:53:46 PM EST

Re: Objective info (2.00 / 1)

Much more comprehensive info here, not to mention an interesting free-fall on the graph the past few days.

Thank you, KnowVox.


by creeper1014 on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 08:58:23 PM EST
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You missed the point entirely (2.00 / 6)

The point was and is self-respect.

Why stay around a place where you are insulted on a regular basis?
Why stay to listen to outright lies about your candidate and your fellow supporters?

Who needs it?  

As for Markos and his sitemeter, who cares?  


by Radiowalla on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 08:54:25 PM EST

Re: You missed the point entirely (none / 0)

Hey, I'm sorry there are alot of disrespectful Obama supporters over there. They got mojo saying good things about Obama and mob rule kinda. However while quieter, you have to admit this place tolerates the oppisite. I came here because it's got less volume, and I'm hoping to catch some great diaries by writers like yourself.
It sucked when I saw you GBCW, I enjoyed mostr  of your work.
Because I wont trade humanity for patriotism!
by Drewid on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 09:01:28 PM EST
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Thanks, friend (2.00 / 1)

I appreciate the comment.


by Radiowalla on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 09:17:34 PM EST
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Re: Thanks, friend (2.00 / 1)

Least I can do, I'm sorry all those inconsiderate Obama peeps and outright trolls made it unbearable.


Because I wont trade humanity for patriotism!
by Drewid on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 09:57:04 PM EST
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Re: You missed the point entirely (2.00 / 1)

As an Obama supporter, I have felt the exact same way here.  Absolutely no respect for me or my diaries or my comments and often rude and abusive reactions.

The lack of respect for the other party on both these sites has ben appalling.  Don't know if you noticed but most Obama people stopped posting here awhile ago.  What is the point when you can't even engage someone and get only insults back for your efforts.

I am a very serious and thoughtful person.  I would like to think I could come back here and be treated with respect.  

Any chance of that happening?


Health care is a human right
by Helenann on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 10:04:25 PM EST
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I'm new here (none / 0)

so I can't speak to your experience here.  

I certainly respect you and am interested in your point of view.

I share your interest in health care, by the way.  And that is one of the reasons I am supporting Hillary Clinton.   My entire professional career has been in health care and I know that unless you have everyone in the "pool" there is an adverse risk factor that drives up costs for those who are insured.  Obama's plan leaves too many people out.  


by Radiowalla on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 10:23:46 PM EST
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Re: I'm new here (none / 0)

You seem to be basing your conclusion that an individual mandate will get everyone in the pool.  It won't. A mandate is not a route to 100% coverage.  It is actually a limited strategy intended to make sure that people who can afford insurance sign up.  These are the so called "free riders."  But anyone who has been uninsured knows there is nothing "free" about it.  While it is generally accepted that an individual mandate will initially cover more people than a plan without one, it will not get us to universal coverage.  In fact, there are many much more humane ways to achieve this goal.  Most of the free riders are between 19-29 years of age.  Most have aged off their parents plans and are in school or in jobs with no coverage.  

Obama has a different idea than the threat of punishment from the federal government.  First, he will allow all adult children up to the age of 25 stay on their parents plan.  This is estimated to take care of a large share of the free rider problem.  Second, he will allow point of care enrollment.  This is what the Federally Qualified Health Centers currently do, as so many of their patients come in the door as uninsured.  When you present for care, whether it is at the doctors, a clinic or an emergency room, you are asked for information at the take in and then are told what insurance you qualify.  While many of these free riders are healthy and will not need much care, research has found that about 67% of the uninsured use health care services each year.  Thus with point of care enrollment, we could cover 90% of the remaining uninsured within two years of implementation.  Most people, when they understand that they will have to pay for their own care if they are not insured, and the costs of that care, will most likely gladly sign up to pay an affordable premium, rather than face the huge out of pocket costs and potential debt of remaining uninsured.

As my byline says, I think health care is a right. And the job of the government is to make sure people are not denied their rights, not to punish them if they are not met.  Carrots and compassion in health care are much more appropriate than coercion and sticks, especially if we can achieve the same objective.


Health care is a human right
by Helenann on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 05:35:44 PM EST
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I'm new here (none / 0)

so I can't speak to your experience here.  

I certainly respect you and am interested in your point of view.

I share your interest in health care, by the way.  And that is one of the reasons I am supporting Hillary Clinton.   My entire professional career has been in health care and I know that unless you have everyone in the "pool" there is an adverse risk factor that drives up costs for those who are insured.  Obama's plan leaves too many people out.  


by Radiowalla on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 10:25:34 PM EST
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Have you checked Alexa.com lately? n/t (2.00 / 1)


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 08:55:06 PM EST

Re: DKos Boycott Fails to Harm Markos (2.00 / 3)

Thanks for your insightful, thoughtful diary.

A link and a sentence.


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 08:57:51 PM EST

false premise. (2.00 / 5)

nobody's trying to "hurt" markos. he does that so well himself that any puny efforts on our part would be meaningless. it's about having enough self-respect not to put up with abuse.


by campskunk on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 08:58:20 PM EST

a) I dispute your conclusion ... the (2.00 / 4)

charts show a clear drop in this last week's numbers (March 14-19) when compared to the previous week and when compared to the corresponding week a month ago.

b) As someone already commented, it's not about hurting KOS financially it's about taking our voices out of his toxic domain and finding better places to post to.


Reasonable people can disagree.
by mnicholson0220 on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 09:04:20 PM EST

Or you could title this diary (2.00 / 1)

It's a big internet
"First, these people should read up on the definition of 'strike.' What they're doing is a 'boycott.' But whatever they call it, I think it's great. It's a big Internet, so I hope they find what they're looking for."

No harm, no foul.
by Coldblue on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 09:08:32 PM EST

Re: Actually, Mr. Einstein (2.00 / 3)

His numbers the past five days seem to be 10% to 15% off their corresponding days the previous week.  The previous week had the Wyoming caucus and Mississippi primary - but this week has had plenty of political buzz with Obama's issues and the revotes. I believe that they boycott HAS had an impact.  A longterm drop of 15% would be seriously bad news for DailyKos.


by johnnygunn on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 09:08:36 PM EST

Polls (2.00 / 3)

Who cares!  I used to go to DailyKos many times a day.  I now visit a couple times a week.  

On a side note, I was watching the MSM and polls are showing Obama slipping in national lead.  Some now show Hillary ahead.  Remember when Obama was ahead, that was all we heard Obama supporters talk about? Now they are all saying that we shouldn't care about national polls because they don't matter.

That couldn't possibly listen to themselves talk, could they?


by Scope441 on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 09:25:56 PM EST

For me, the hits and the numbers (2.00 / 3)

are the LEAST important aspect, its more about the rude atmosphere and so on...


DEMOCRATIC 08!
by rigsoHC on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 09:26:49 PM EST

Re: DKos Boycott Fails to Harm Markos (2.00 / 4)

I don't really care whether it helps or hurts.  It's an unhealty place to be.  Good intellectual posters were being replaced everyday by juvenile impulsive abusive posters.  The number of hits may not have drastically dropped but the quality has, that was mentioned over and over again by many who left before we did.  Quality vs. Quantity.  I choose the first.


by Scotch on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 09:35:29 PM EST

I didn't even know there was a boycott. (2.00 / 2)

Well, I knew I had a personal boycott going on. Good on everyone else for finally joining me! <snark>


by aggieric on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 09:37:09 PM EST

A true opinion leader! nt (2.00 / 1)


by Radiowalla on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 10:31:32 PM EST
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Re: DKos Boycott Fails to Harm Markos (2.00 / 1)

I caught the boycott coverage on O'Reilly last night, and it made me really sad for the Democratic Party.

Clinton Adviser Jehmu Greene appeared on The Factor to discuss the boycott. O'Reilly repeatedly referred to Daily Kos as "a hate site" and said they do "terrible things on a daily basis." Greene seemed to agree with this description, adding that Kos is "liberal elitism at its worst."

OK, that's her opinion. Fine. But it saddened to me to think about the portrait this paints of the Democratic party: fractured, bitter, disorganized, weak.

Now, Greene could have mentioned that there are hateful comments on O'Reilly's site or here on MyDD or elsewhere, but she didn't. Instead, she managed to reinforce negative stereotypes not just of Obama supporters, but of Clinton supporters, too.

All press is not good press. For the boycott supporters, this was seemingly positive exposure, but the real beneficiary of this attention wasn't Clinton, it was O'Reilly and the Republicans.


by jdusek on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 09:57:30 PM EST

Re: DKos Boycott Fails to Harm Markos (none / 0)

Wanna fight over site ratings now?

Okay, if you insist.

http://alexa.com


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 10:00:29 PM EST

Re: DKos Boycott Fails to Harm Markos (none / 0)

Well, yeah, it always falls on the weekend.


by bobdoleisevil on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 10:04:23 PM EST
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Re: DKos Boycott Fails to Harm Markos (none / 0)

Sure,

except this isn't just about the weekend, and the drop is straight down.


It does not take many words to tell the truth Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
by Gabriele Droz on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 10:39:19 PM EST
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Markos now reaps what he's sown. (2.00 / 2)

Some of his best writers are having significant issues with this entire matter, and were quite concerned about the situation in the weeks leading up to the walkout, too.

As I've seen these same top writers/FP'ers comment, Markos is his own worst enemy.

There's a lot of ego going on in the writing, in general.

And, I'm hearing from multiple sources that in addition to a modest dropoff in traffic, the diminished quality of the writing/diaries is much more noticeable than the loss of eyeballs.

Yep, what we're seeing is the Foxification of the liberal blogging community.

Truth be told, Kos, and even MyDD to a lesser extent, have as much audience as a typical tv station in a mid-size U.S. market nowadays.

The site traffic stats are critical to their livelihood, Markos moreso than Jerome.

Markos has become somewhat of a brand; but, as I learned in advertising and p.r. many, many years ago, nothing will run a mediocre or poor product into the ground more rapidly than great p.r. and marketing.

At the very least, the place lost a signficant portion of it's coolness. In fact, in today's world, and as I've heard folks like Markos comment about matters that may have occurred as little as a year or two ago (take a look at Markos' Wiki bio for context, where there's a reference to 2005, as if it was generations ago, LOL!), there's very little respect for history, and not much more appreciation for Party allegiance, either.

I can only imagine what Markos will do, and where he will lead his cult--resplendent with their kerosene torches marching through brick-paved streets like some old Frankenstien flick--if Obama doesn't get the nomination.

He's threatened to do what he can to feed the flames of party unrest if that happens; and, given his penchant for doing that over the past 12 weeks on his own blog, I think that would definitely be the case, too.

Then again, what can you expect from someone with a history of party disaffiliation? However, admittedly, this loyal, lifelong Dem has a problem with that. Just like Kos has a problem with people with my views--especially when we're not afraid of speaking up in defense of them, too! One minor difference, however: I don't have a responsibility to my audience with regard to adhering to a mission statement on a blog that hosts many millions of views per month. Markos does. And, he's failed miserably in living up to those responsibilities, especially in light of the reality that he hasn't changed his mission statment in the past three months, either.

It's now to the point where his marquis quote: "...a reality-based blog for Democrats;" should be replaced with: "...it's my reality for some Democrats."

So, at the end of the day, IMHO, the guy's guilty of grossly and fraudulently (mis)representing the purpose of Daily Kos' very existence.

That's not what I signed up for there a little less than two years ago. And, that is why I left.


by bobswern on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 10:50:37 PM EST

BTW, under MyDD's rules, this isn't even a diary! (none / 0)

Effectively, we're all commenting about a troll comment disguised as a non-compliant diary!


by bobswern on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 11:02:25 PM EST
[ Parent ]

That wasn't the point (2.00 / 1)

The point was to protect oneself and the principle of full discussion


by debcoop on Wed Mar 19, 2008 at 11:45:00 PM EST

Kos reality (none / 0)

I wonder when this is all over, if there will be people wandering the streets aimlessly muttering to themselves..."we are the ones...we are the ones."


by grlpatriot on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 11:28:55 AM EST


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